A few things have happened since Barack Obama became the 44th President, our economy has taken a nose dive, over $400-billion in debt was accrued in the first 57 days of the Obama Presidency and gun sales have skyrocketed.Barack Obama is the most anti-gun president ever to sit in the White house. He can say whatever he wants to the contrary, but the truth can be found in his past.
Barack Obama’s anti-gun policy:
* 1994 to 2001 - Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.
* 1996 - Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
* 1999 - Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.
* 2003 - Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.
* 2004 - Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.
My advice:
Get all the guns, ammunition and full capacity magazines you can while you can. Prices are going up and sometimes are double what they were only a month ago.
Several cache tubes (video) loaded with guns, ammunition and full capacity magazines hidden around your area is not a bad idea. No I am not saying you should bury all your weapons, only a few as an insurance policy against possible confiscation by Obama's National Security Force.
Avoiding the paper trail:
Weapons obtained through private sales are best because you want to avoid the usual paper trail that comes with purchasing a firearm from the local gun shop.
Flea markets and gun shows are the first places to look. If you cannot find what you want here, then putting an ad in a local newspaper or better yet one from another area stating that you are a collector interested purchasing firearms for top dollar, will bring in plenty of offers from people needing extra cash.
Obama is a serious threat to the Second Amendment and the Constitution as a whole. Get ready I see storm clouds just over the horizon.
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I like this article,as I have been kicking around the idea of doing this with some weapons and food..the idea of the land needed to be searched is sort of like having to find or locate a person on the run..depending on his speed , the area needed to be searched grows tremendously if hes moving faster or quicker that what they figure to be avg speed according to terrain and the fugitives overall health/age etc..great article thanks
Cosmoline the product most often used to pack military guns for long term storage is nothing more than a lessor refined version of petroleum jelly! Yep vaseline, cosmoline is less refined and has colorant items added...
smaller items can be incased in blocks of paraffin wax, simply place a layer of melted wax into the bottom of a small paper box, when cool place the small item on that layer and to over the item with wax, cut away the paper box with a heated blade and the item is incased...
If you use dry ice in the tube it will drive out the oxygen as it melts and will help with corrosion resistance.
If they come for your guns, give 'em to 'em, one way or the other.
As a very long-time survivalist who's seen gun laws come and go for many years, I'm stunned at the panic over the Obama presidency. He has so much on his plate and has such a need of support from the entire politican spectrum in the U.S. that gun control has dropped down to the rock bottom of his list. By all means, buy guns and ammo if you need them but by buying everything you can get your hands on (because of your ill-considered fear of his policies), you're causing scarcities and therefore pushing up prices based pretty much on the madness of crowds. Take a deep breath and think about it, he's not gonna do gun control, certainly not in his first term. Meanwhile, you're spending all of your bread on one facet of survival and ignoring the others, not smart. Get a grip folks, everything in moderation.
Sure Hussein has a lot on his plate-but all he needs to do is sign legislation that hits his desk.I'm guessing pelosi,schumer,biden,and the other Reds will be pushing gun control pretty hard,economy troubles or not.
And how many gun laws have gone?Not many of any consequence,even with "pro-gun" republicans running things.
The people that want govt. to take care of them from cradle to grave is growing fast.The time to bury those guns is when you should be digging them up.
Just out of curiosity, would it be feasible to clean and oil the gun(s) in a typical fashion and then seal each item in a vaccuum bag? I have a vaccuum bagger that does a great job for food, etc. Why couldn't a bag like that be used to remove all of the air from around the gun and create an airtight, watertight seal that would protect the gun for years? Plus, the "bags" aren't really bags. They're tubes that you cut off at the appropriate length. So, you could seal rifles, shotguns, handguns, almost anything. Just looking for anyone's insight here as I don't know if there is a drawback to using vaccuum on a firearm. Thanks
Umm, not to be contrary or anything...but if it has already come to the point where folks are frantically burying weapons due to fear of confiscation - then I submit we are also right at the point where they would have to be used to take back the country.
If memory serves, the oath I took in the military had the phrase "foreign AND DOMESTIC"...
Claire Wolfe's famous saying may get vindicated yet...
When the time has come to start thinking about Caching your guns and ammo, The time has come to dig them up! "Enemies Foreign and Domestic"
Don't forget the power of a Molotov Coctail and "There Personal Property" Safe and yet OH SO EFFECTIVE. Guns we don't need no stinkin guns
For us. I think I will drill a few holes with my tractor auger and set in some pipe. That way if something happens someday the site will not look fresh and it is ready to move the rock and un cap the pipe....down goes the stuff.
Other than that we are not moved by the election other then happy it is over. Government moves slowly and you all know that. Nothing will happens so fast you can not deal with it. Then even if they do try something...getting the coin and people to enforce it will not happen fast either.
You have all the time in the world to hide stuff. Just prep the place now so if you need it the freshly dug ground will not reveal your stupidity...
Like the other guy said... finish you list and be ready for any crisis.
Just in from the BO Camp. All you Honky's turn in your guns immediately and report to the nearest Plantation.
LATE NEWS FLASH:
From: PREZ., de'"Elect" B.O.
To: Whom ever it may concern
Subject: "Sleepitime formula", & application.
Please remember to take your "Sleepitime formula" people! Mustn't have folks up & awake when I'm busy.
I NEED my "quiet & secure" time! And, YOU DEFINITELY do NOT need to be burdened with the measures & weights of Office, and the decisions that I must be making. You just sleep tight, and ignore those bed bugs! ;-)"wink"
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NEXT: TWO FACTORS to add speed, as well as easily hidden factor to your cache:
#1] Utilize old bikes, rusted & falling apart, on the side of a barn, or shed, or your House. Also, other appropriate metal junk. Then dig your cache hole[s]under where those bikes & junk will sit.
#2] Make a stone walkway, with flat stones approximately 6" or so apart. To "off set" the metal detectors, simply line the edge of your walkway with metal lining...or "framing", instead of 1/2" X 2" wooden slates. OR, make concrete 6" X 6" or 8" X 8" & 1" thick blocks, and frame them with 1" wide, 1/8" thick metal slats encasing the sides. Then, dig your holes UNDER where a block will lay. If you do it now, it'll look very natural quickly.
Another option is to place your weapons & their particular ammo in various locations, inside of your walls. Behind the drywall. If you have a basement, build a false wall, on the back wall, using 4X4's instead of 2X4's.
Sure Hussein has a lot on his plate-but all he needs to do is sign legislation that hits his desk.I'm guessing pelosi,schumer,biden,and the other Reds will be pushing gun control pretty hard,economy troubles or not.
Will. Not. Happen.
The political environment doesn't operate like that. Sure, all Bush had to do was sign a paper to start a war, but there's a hellova lotta work behind that piece of paper. It's clear from the massive gun/ammo buying spree that people are worried about gun rights, and these guys are politically astute enough (if nothing else) to know that it would be WAY too bloody a battle and would cost them, big time, in the 2010 election (remember the NRA in '96?). This simply isn't the issue to them that you think it is, geez, the economy is in tatters, we're spending way too much on imported oil, they're gonna try a WPA style project of massive proportions, they're smart enough not to take on 2nd Amendment battles in their first term, if ever. There are 200 million guns that are privately owned, a good portion of them with no paper trail. Confiscation attempts would lead to immediate civil war and these guys aren't nearly idiotic enough to attempt anything close to what is being breathlessly hyped (by those with profit in mind?).
You're welcome to spend quadruple the price on guns and ammo now, but you'd be wiser to wait until next year, when all of this Obama gun panic has vaporized. Stop sweating bullets friend. It's your call.
Time for another Tea Party
It was our Piss Poor Planning that left us without enough guns, magazines and ammo with O-Boy President Elect and Democrats running wild in Congress. Now we have to 'pay the price' by buying what we need at high prices.
The unaceptible price is to do nothing and wait for the "Executive Order" that kills our children.
God Bless America and God Damm ALL Liberals.
Interesting article for interesting times. There is a lot of uncertainty which inevitably drives people to react in ways, which previously, maybe would have been considered abnormal - Given the environment today - no one can judge the other; Only time will tell if it was wise. Rationally, the only downside in doing this, is a few hours, dollars and drops of sweat.
The underlying message or tone at this very hour is one of an impending confrontation - If that is the case, the single question will not necessarily be of the sidearm, battle rifle, ammunition but communication and organization. If the confrontation is coming - the message boards you frequent in order to keep up with the latest like-minded thinkers will be down.
If this comes it will not be a long drawn out process, it will be swift. So what to do when you are unsure if Joe down the street gave his gun away 15 minutes ago when he got a knock at the door?
Let me get this straight. You're suggesting burying guns to keep the feds from finding them? So when they do find them and then you're in prison for 10 to 20 years and you come out of prison as a felon and can never own guns again.
This is only, by the thinnest of margin, less stupid than offering your guns up in your cold, dead fingers.
If you want to keep your guns, or get them back if you lose them, the place to take that stand is at the polls. Vote out the incumbent at every turn so they know they work for us and not for them. Voice your opinion to your congressmen. Join the NRA. Donate extra to the NRA.
Don't be stupid.
You're vote is negated by illegally cast votes by ACORN, Your Congressman doesn't give a C**p about your opinion,but joining the NRA might do some good. I in fact did just that last Wednesday.
You rubes clinging to your guns and religion. tisk tisk tisk
Be more like me BO the first Affirmative Action POTUS. White men need not apply.
When BO's Brown Shirts knock on your door to confiscate your guns which their records say you have and you say uh I lost them, What good will your buried guns do you while you rot in one of those FEMA Concentration Camps? Only a FED. would recomend you bury your weapon. Oh wait, thats the first thing taught in boot camp, how to bury your gun so it won't be available when you need it most. I forgot...
Another consideration for those who recommend waiting to purchase your firearms - who knows what the economic landscape will look like next year? If the fed keeps spending money at the rate they have been this year, the rampant inflation may keep firearms unaffordable for any of us. Even at the scarcity driven prices we are seeing now, they may be a drop in the bucket compared to what is to come. Just a thought.
It would appear that the content of this article went over some of the readers heads. I never said to hide all your guns, just some guns and ammo as insurance against confiscation. Also to Anonymous 8:15 if you had read and understood you would have known that I advocate purchasing firearms from private sellers, so the feds don't know what you have hidden. It would be my guess that you will be the first in line following orders to turn in your guns at the nearest melting pot.
I've bought a bunch of guns recently from dealers. I've bought a few more since the election. It's not because I think that the Dems are stupid enough to try to upset our applecart before the 2010 election: it's because I want the statistics on purchases, and timing of those purchases, to show the Dems (and their Repub allies) what they'd be up against.
I didn't buy those guns to bury.
Maybe you're correct. Just like John Boy in the Red Badge of Courage you never know what you'll do untill you have reality stare you in the face. Bravado- All the Sound and Fury- but this still doesn't mean it's not a FED or dumb idea to bury your guns.
I don't know what is coming but Obama's election was basically a center-left mandate and plenty of people on the left and in the center own guns and/or oppose gun control. Like an earlier poster said, the man has a lot to take care of before tackling secondary domestic issues. But I could be and probably am wrong. I would also agree that I don't quite understand the panic over Obama's election, I mean do people honestly believe that in our "democracy," with our check and balances Obama will become a socialist dictator sending cops and soldiers door to door in order to violate the constitution. I mean get with it people, are you all that much of ideologues.
BTW Hussein/Hussain/Husain is one of the most common names in the world. Lots of people besides the former Iraqi dictator share it with Obama. Get over it.
Got this e-mail....check it out, if anyone doesn't think we'll lose our rights, think again!!! This is just the beginning............
"It begins, and here we go! Grab your cheeks...
JUST ONE MORE LITTLE SURPRISE FROM THIS FALSE ESSIAH.
And so it begins...........................LIVE Free or DIE TRYING!!!
Its already started...Ammunition Accountability Legislation
Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns? Well, it seems that his minions and allies in the anti-gun world
have no problem with taking your ammo!
The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including
Illinois and Indiana) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.
Any privately held un coded a mmunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least
$2.50 or more!
If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!
This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona,
California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland,
Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.
Send to your friends in these states AND fight to dissolve this BILL!!
To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to:
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
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Where does it say anything about Obama and these bills.
With minimal technical ability, one could thread in a schrader valve (like on your car) and a pipe plug, then displace the air in the tube with dry nitrogen, plug the hole and there you are. That way, just your normally clean and lubricated equipment will not rust. And it will be more ready because you won't have to clean off so much grease. For example, what if you can get to the cache, but don't have a bunch of cleaning supplies on you?
I am sort of skeptical that the times when law enforcement will come door to door and demand your weapons is gonna be in the next 8 years.
My gut tells me this panic over Obama (OMFG A BLACK MAN!) is nothing more than a really good money raiser. Sort of like when something bad happens in the middle east, and gas goes up 30 cents over night.
I also enjoyed how the increase in ammo prices was blamed on Obama even before he took the seat. . . The fact that making .223 and .308 for the US government and selling it at a better price than when selling to Joe Citizen has nothing to do with that.
I'm not a democrat, so don't mark me as a leftie, and I sure as hell aren't a Republican, so don't slot me there either. I've come to the conclusion that NEITHER part has our (we the people's) best interests at hard. The Left wants our firearms and personal decision making ability, and the Right wants our right to privacy, our money and, like it or not, eventually out weapons too.
Which is why I lean more to the Libertarians.
Anyway I digress. Despite any differing political views we have, what's important is that we hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
Be careful where you bury the tube. Several years ago I had such a tube burried in a low lying area near my home. After several days of rain I was very surprised to discover the tube sticking two feet out of the ground! Beware of the rising water table as the tubes will float even if quite heavy.
Do you really think you can hold off an M-1 Abrams tank, or an Apache helicopter with a few old rifles? If the gov't wants your guns, it'll get them and your cold dead hand. Sorry to be a realist, but somebody has to break the news to you poor delusional people.
Some comments:
1) For the crowd that says, "If its time to bury your guns, its time to use them" - guys, think a little bit, please. Almost everyone with guns has bought 1 or more from a dealer, meaning that the purchase is on a 4473 somewhere. Despite the notorious inefficiency of government, let's assume that "they" know every papered gun you have. When (or if) the time comes to turn your guns in, if you don't turn in every one that they know of you'll be in a great deal of trouble (or dead, depending). However, if you have one or more off paper, then you can bury them and have no one be suspicious. Days/weeks/months after you have your papered guns taken, take a long walk or a drive and get another gun. It is a simple matter of having reserves that the enemy doesn't know about - nations do this, why wouldn't it be prudent for an individual to do the same?
The dry ice idea is great - you can displace most of the oxygen-containing normal air (there will always be a small fraction left), thereby reducing the odds of rust taking hold by orders of magnitude. You then don't have to totally grease up the gun, just clean it and coat the metal parts with something like CorrosionX or Eezox. Take it out, no cleaning would even be needed.
The tubes: here's a simple idea - a tube within a tube. Get a 6-inch diameter tube and place it within an 8-inch diameter one. Why? Well, not for additional protection. This would be for ease of recovery. The outer tube will be extremely difficult to remove, certainly within a short period of time. However, if you simply have to remove the cover and withdraw the inner tube, you can be out of that area very quickly, and open the inner tube somewhere away from prying eyes. The inner tube must, of course, be a bit shorter. Oh, the extra protection surely won't hurt matters any.
As for the comment of Anonymous from 3/21/09, one would be rather stupid to take on any enemy at his strongest point. I wouldn't want to take on a tank facing me with another tank, but rather from a chopper a mile away and armed with Hellfire missiles. A rifle? No thanks. BUT, I will leave you with this anecdote: in WW2 Marshall Tito (not yet a Marshall) led most of the partisans against the occupying Germans. Someone once asked him "How are your partisans, with their old rifles, going to defeat the Germans, with their new Panzers?" Tito's response is a classic: "When the Germans get out of their new Panzers to take a piss, my partisans will shoot them with their old rifles." Lesson: use your brains to avoid facing certain defeat/death. Use your strength to win and survive.
EX COP ,Combat Vet ...Keep your highest quslity primary weapons very close at hand...Cache old military grade rifles and ammo...A man is not a man who bows down and ALLOWS anyone to dictate what he may or may not do or own...IMHO , your weapons are only weapons if you can use and are willing to use them ...otherwise they are tools called firearms...Do not deceive yourself into thinking we will escape this coming storm. Face it like your ancestors did ,not seeking it but NOT RUNNING and hiding like scared animals.............To live as a slave has provides no HONOR .......Prepare YOURSELF MENTALLY NOW !!! Do not take the wait and see approach asyou will increase your chances of failure ...failure to survive !
hawke
bury guns and ammo is not a bad idea. Whos to say I havent already did this. The real thought in the matter is WE do now face more government restrictions which is a violation of our constitutional rights. Yes I believe there will be a time when we will be asked to surrender all that we have. The problem is why did we as a nation of peoples let this country get this far out of hand. Most will see defeat few will survive. You cannot stop what we already let take hold.
Don't bury your guns. You think they won't find them? They will find them, and if they are banned, ownership will be a felony. That means you go to prison when, not if, they find it.
And don't be a wuss and sneak around buying guns from private sellers. Sure, SELL guns to private buyers (but CYA), but BUY LOTS OF GUNS from licensed dealers so as to show many guns going out "on the streets" (their terminology) because it's the only thing that scares them!
For more info, click my profile and read the articles I've written (and continue to write) on the subject.
We are looking to start a survivalist group here in South Alabama,anyone interested?
I would be interested. There should be one in every state and county.
It's not necessary to collect guns and ammo, what you have is enough, if you studied any history in the past you will see that guns are aquired from the enemy as the battle rages on, we can never stockpile enough ammo and weapons to take on the trillions spent on weapons that we could never get.
When the revolution starts, just like in the past as small battles are won, weapons are aquired, and ammo, and vehicles, the list goes on and on, and come on, bury your weapons? What the hell for, and what good is it to fight the bastards when they come to your door to get your guns, stay calm, live to fight another day, they will be set up to handle you when the door knocking comes, take it easy and don't react like an idiot, they will not give a damn about shooting you or your family, hey remember Ruby Ridge and waco, so take it easy and defuse the situation and then get them later. Don't bury your weapons, that is just stupid.
Keep a few guns and few ammo secret....keep some guns to give away..dont go to prison...Then when the shit hits the fan that few gun and ammo will do the job...few means 1 or 2 guns will be easy to hide..500-1000rds of ammo easy to hide..fuck the feds..be realistic..do not go in panic mode..that is what these fuckers want..remember 1 or 2 nice guns..and 500-1000rds easy to hide..remember to keep it legal, but not registered..just incase.
I am selling all my guns an ammo..keeping only 2 nice ones legal but not registered..1000rd of ammo keeping..its easy to hide...when time comes that will be enough to start..keep it legal..don't be stupid and give everything..sell them bad boys and get your money back..its better to have some mullah for later purchase...its happening